TEXAS COMMISSION OF LICENSING AND REGULATION


AGENDA

December 16, 2010, 9:00 a.m.

Twin Towers Office Center
1st Floor Public Meeting Room #125E
1106 Clayton Lane
Austin, Texas

A G E N D A / TABLE OF CONTENTS

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A. Call to Order

B. Roll Call and Certification of Quorum

Approval of Minutes - Meeting of October 28, 2010

C. Public Comment (any person wishing to address the Commission should complete a Public Comment Form and submit it to the Executive Assistant)

D1. Contested Cases - consideration and possible action (heard before SOAH)

Tab

Docket Number

Respondent

1.

ACR2010006245L/452-10-5048.ACR

Mathew L. Grad

2.

BAR2010005895L/452-10-5424.BAR

LaSheila S. Hawkins

3.

ELC2010005701L/452-10-4656.ELC

Kelly Lynn Olivas

4.

ACR2010000884S/452-10-4694.ACR

Carlos Rojas

5.

ELC2010005835L/452-10-4296.ELC

Jean Peirre Mierau

6.

ELC2010006626L/452-10-4654.ELC

Raziel Jesus Munoz

7.

ELC2010006830L/452-10-4196.ELC

Dimas Pena

8.

COS2009007213D/452-10-0331.COS

Akram Amani

9.

COS2009011224D & COS2010002515C/452-10-4277.COS

Trinh Nguyen
d/b/a Venetian Nail Design

10.

COS2009011949C & COS2010003584D/452-10-3403.COS

Timmothy Matthew, Inc.
d/b/a The Day Spa at Barton Creek Mall

11.

ELC2010007092L/452-10-4655.ELC

William Austin Campbell

12.

ELC2010007153L/452-10-4470.ELC

David Craig

13.

ELC2010008690L/452-10-5516.ELC

William Harrison

14.

COS2010002889D/452-10-3999.COS

Nhan Trong Nguyen
d/b/a J’s Nail and Day Spa

15.

COS2010005820D/452-10-3933.COS

Rebecca Rangel King
d/b/a Hair Designs Studio Plus, LLC

16.

COS2010007212D/452-10-4725.COS

Joshua R. Mullins

17.

ELC2010008839L & ELC2010080201L/452-10-5007.ELC

Brian Brooks

18.

ELC2010009445L/452-10-5492.ELC

David W. Easter

19.

TOW2010005326L/452-10-4818.TOW

Marcus Earl Jones

D2. Contested Cases – consideration and possible action (Respondent did not appear, heard before SOAH)

Tab

Docket Number

Respondent

20.

TOW2010003659D/452-10-4792.TOW

Michael Sanders
d/b/a Upshur County Wrecker Service

21.

BOX2010001807C & BOX2010000543D/452-10-3609.BOX

Jose R. Garcia
d/b/a Paul Garcia Promotions

22.

ACR2010006093D & ELC2010006092D/452-10-5252.ACR

Denise Bell
d/b/a Denise’s Contracting Services

23.

BAR2009008296D/452-10-5393.BAR

Eric Hodge d/b/a Custom Cuts

24.

ELC2009002036C/452-10-4222.ELC

Larry O. Gilmore
d/b/a Gilmore Electric

25.

ELC2010009191L/452-10-4692.ELC

Valmy L. Whitley Sr.

26.

COS2009010729D/452-10-5311.COS

Julie Hang  Nguyen
d/b/a Only Nails

D3. Default Cases – consideration and possible action

Tab

Docket Number

Respondent

27.

ACR2008000823C

David Jackson d/b/a B&D Installers

28.

ACR2009002806C & ACR2009012568C

Shannon Liccione
d/b/a Serenity Heating & Air Conditioning LLC

29.

ACR2009006902C, ACR2009009960I
ACR2009010376C & ACR2009013131C

Jerry J. Carpenter
d/b/a J. C. Mechanical

30.

ACR2009009586M

Louis A. Hernandez

31.

ACR2009011304C

Kenny Darisse d/b/a Premier A/C & Plumbing, Inc.

32.

ACR2009013551C

Tenny Bishop Sr.
d/b/a Bishop’s Refrigeration

33.

ACR2010001868C

Joe E. Jurden, Jr. d/b/a American Services Technicians

34.

ACR2010002228I

Murray D. Kaiman
d/b/a Houston Energy Solutions

35.

ACR2010004212C

Curtis Merriman

36.

ACR2010007623C

Jack R. Turner, III

37.

ACR2010010134C

Jose Granda
d/b/a Granda’s Services

38.

ACR2010010195S

Miguel Suarez American Services

39.

ACR2010010976C

Nathan Supinger
d/b/a Lone Star Mobile Homes &
Residential Services & Repair

40.

AUC2009002679C

Dean Earl Kruse

41.

BAR2009002538D

Rodney V. Jones
d/b/a Bad Boyz Barbers

42.

BAR2009002651D

Santiago Conejo

43.

BAR2009004636D

Justin Obasoto

44.

BAR2009007789D

D'Ainsley Smith and Tavatha Smith
d/b/a Love Works International Salons

45.

BAR2009007829D

Jerrod Cason

46.

BAR2009008486D

Chris Henry

47.

BAR2009011030D

Patrick Denton d/b/a Look At Me Now Barber Shop

48.

BAR2009011038D

Nicholas Clayburn

49.

BAR2010001938D

Darryl Irving

50.

BAR2010002050D

Burton L. Johnson
d/b/a Burley’s Barber Shop

51.

BAR2010002054D

Paul Dwayne Randall

52.

BAR2010002067D

Silvia Nava
d/b/a Kings of the Clippers

53.

BAR2010002069D

Jair Nava

54.

BAR2010002729D

Kandy Porter Pramuk

55.

BAR2010002781D

Tiffany Greene
d/b/a Perry’s Barber Shop

56.

BAR2010003041D

Voeurn Mok d/b/a Cornerstone Classic Barber Shop

57.

BAR2010005766D

Maria De J. Urrutia
d/b/a Mary’s Beauty/Barber Shop

58.

BAR2010006206D

Stella M. Johnson
d/b/a Me Tyme Salon & Spa

59.

BAR2010007111D

Vincent S. Torres

60.

BAR2010007396D

David Thomas

61.

BAR2010007852D

Jeremy Dewayne Williams

62.

BAR2010008254D

Momodou Sanyang
 d/b/a Unlimited Swagger

63.

BAR2010008835D

Clarence E. Yell

64.

BAR2010009427D & BAR2010009428D

Lizeth Mascorro and Noe Mascorro
d/b/a Happy Cuts

65.

BAR2010010461D & COS2010010464D

Ernestine Grandados
d/b/a Tina’s Barber Shop

66.

BAR2010010562D

Albert Carter, Jr.

67.

BAR2010010568D

Andre Menefee, Sr.

68.

BAR2010010747D

Aubrey Younger
d/b/a Untouchables Barber Shop

69.

BAR2010010748D

Marcus Banks

70.

BAR2010011379D

Donald Crockett
d/b/a Skillz Salon 4

71.

BAR2010011428D

Julio Duenas

72.

BAR2010011816D

Rondal Brooks
d/b/a Ron’s Tight Cuts

73.

BLR2009006918D

Loyola Missionary Baptist Church

74.

BOX2010003272C

Larry Hernandez d/b/a Aztec Empire Boxing Gym

75.

BOX2010003498C

Larry Hernandez d/b/a Aztec Empire Boxing Gym

76.

BOX2010003666D

Larry Hernandez d/b/a Aztec Empire Boxing Gym

77.

BOX2010003680C

Larry Hernandez d/b/a Aztec Empire Boxing Gym

78.

BOX2010003979C

Larry Hernandez d/b/a Aztec Empire Boxing Gym

79.

BOX2010004008C

Larry Hernandez d/b/a Aztec Empire Boxing Gym

80.

BOX2010004211C

Larry Hernandez d/b/a Aztec Empire Boxing Gym

81.

COS2009005359D

Angelica Gomez d/b/a Nikkie’s Hair Salon/Barber Shop

82.

COS2009006032D

Karla Yvette Langs
d/b/a Elements of Style

83.

COS2009006484D

Royar Enterprises LLC
d/b/a Allegra Hair Salon

84.

COS2009006507C

Anh T. Tran d/b/a Nail Pro & Spa

85.

COS2009006591D

Hoa Ly

86.

COS2009008092D

Judy La aka Dung Thi La
d/b/a Red Nails

87.

COS2009008105D

Thao Thu Nguyen
d/b/a Nail and Spa

88.

COS2009008167D

Rosario Galvez
d/b/a La Rue Beauty Salon

89.

COS2009008322D

Anh Tuan Nguyen
d/b/a Unique Nails

90.

COS2009008690D

Yajaira McGovern

91.

COS2009009967D

Concepcion E. Adame
d/b/a Angie’s Hair Design

92.

COS2009010777D

Alan P. Coleman d/b/a Cut Xpress

93.

COS2009010816D

Hugo Jimenez d/b/a Salon Hugo

94.

COS2009010846D

Nora Frescas
d/b/a Silvia’s Beauty Salon #2

95.

COS2009011000D

Christine Y-Nhi Phan
d/b/a Allure Nails

96.

COS2009011236D

Jaime Huereca
d/b/a Jaime’s Hair Cuts

97.

COS2009011366D

J&D World Corp d/b/a Pro Cuts

98.

COS2009011664D
COS2011000067D

Cang Nguyen and Dung Nguyen d/b/a DK Salon

99.

COS2009011706D

Gilberto Rosas Sr.
d/b/a Rosas Unisex

100.

COS2009011709D

Francisca Ceniceros

101.

COS2009011794D

Yvette Canales
d/b/a 10 Creative Tips

102.

COS2009011823D

Tammie Jones d/b/a New Image

103.

COS2009011836D

Elvia Jean Ortiz
d/b/a Talk About Nails

104.

COS2009011839D
COS2011000393D

Thong Nguyen & Canh Nguyen d/b/a Studio Cuts

105.

COS2009011840D

Raquel Martinez

106.

COS2009011841D

Erica Hernandez Muniz

107.

COS2009012001D

Laura Romero

108.

COS2009012656C

Nelda Griggs
d/b/a Transformations Salon & Spa

109.

COS2009012839C

Habibata Coulibaly
d/b/a Diva African Braids

110.

COS2009013260D

Tuan N. Nguyen d/b/a Magic Nails

111.

COS2010001524C

Hoa Thi Hoang
d/b/a L.A. Nails Too

112.

COS2010001764D & COS2010006853D

Calvin Coolidge Humphries

113.

COS2010001846D

Mary Osuchukwu
d/b/a Letso’s Hair Studio

114.

COS2010001847D

Kim Evette Jones

115.

COS2010002042D

Tung Van Nguyen

116.

COS2010002097D

Kimberly Jo Touchet

117.

COS2010002174D

Amanda Lynne Brown

118.

COS2010002181D

Tina Loren Smith d/b/a Studio 5220

119.

COS2010002289D

Angelica Gomez
d/b/a Nikkie’s Hair Salon #2

120.

COS2010002717D

Rana Reddy
d/b/a Angel’s Eyebrows, Nails & Henna
A.K.A. Eyebrow Threading & Henna

121.

COS2010002788D

Ashaunte Shanee Montgomery

122.

COS2010002995D

Ta Thuong Do d/b/a Classy Nails

123.

COS2010003007D

Terranjala Denice Wilder

124.

COS2010003068D

Norma Guevara d/b/a Hair Depot

125.

COS2010003073D

Elizabeth Adio Bohou
d/b/a African Authentic Hair Braiding

126.

COS2010003077D

Ntsoure Gisele

127.

COS2010004309C

Tanya Ericka Reid
d/b/a Back To Life Hair

128.

COS2010004628D

Judy Gatlin d/b/a Judy’s People Beauty Salon 2

129.

COS2010004731D

Miguel Alvaro, Sr.
d/b/a Ara’s Beauty Salon

130.

COS2010004878D

Carmen Gutierrez

131.

COS2010005102D

Huoi Kim Tran

132.

COS2010005445D
COS2010008502D

Claudia Lozano Lamas
d/b/a Z/C Hair Studio

133.

COS2010005816D

Hoa Thi Le

134.

COS2010005971D

Sommer Cotton Allgood

135.

COS2010005973D

Yarhonda Shantae Bennett

136.

COS2010006019D

Brian Joseph Arceneaux

137.

COS2010006115D

Christine Crownover
d/b/a Cadiz Laser Spa

138.

COS2010006200D

Robert Leone
d/b/a Hair Solution Com

139.

COS2010006707D

Jese Webb d/b/a Jaeundreas

140.

COS2010007301D

Sharon Osborne-Patterson

141.

COS2010007552D

Yolanda Sanchez
d/b/a Geebella’s Hair Salon

142.

COS2010007936D

Myrna L. Jimenez

143.

COS2010008045C

Martina Garcia d/b/a Gizelle’s

144.

COS2010008059D

Rafaela Garcia Torres

145.

COS2010008240D

Doa Cheick
d/b/a Feeling African Hair Braiding

146.

COS2010008346D

Richard Walston

147.

COS2010008348D

Juanita D. Garza
d/b/a Pharr West Salon and Spa

148.

COS2010008514D

Beatriz Tinoco Corral

149.

COS2010008516D

April Bailey
d/b/a Xpressions Salon & Spa

150.

COS2010008635D

Hai Hong Pham

151.

COS2010009118D

Natanael Ortuno
d/b/a Belleza Michoacan Unisex

152.

COS2010009121D

Ashley Sanchez

153.

COS2010009321D

Lan N. Nguyen
d/b/a Hair & Nail Expo & Day Spa

154.

COS2010009359D

Juan Antonio Jimenez

155.

COS2010009494D

Beckie P. Martinez

156.

COS2010009586D

Yolanda Yvette Williams

157.

COS2010009589D

Dien Le d/b/a Ultra Nails

158.

COS2010009827D

Jessie Mata, Jr.

159.

COS2010010396D

Kimberley Le Vuong

160.

COS2010010628D

Glenda Jane Southard
d/b/a Glenda’s Beauty Shop

161.

COS2010010720D

April Chanel Woodard Bailey
d/b/a Xpressions Salon & Spa

162.

COS2010010814D

Alicia Hernandez
d/b/a Mariel’s Beauty Salon 2

163.

COS2010010815D

Alicia Gonzalez Hernandez

164.

COS2010010901D

Consuelo Caballero Rios
d/b/a Shannon & Company Hair Salon

165.

COS2010011345D

Amy Elizabeth Hendricks

166.

COS2010011398D

An Quoc Chau
d/b/a Nails & Pedi Spa

167.

COS2010011423D

Melinda Trevino
d/b/a Melinda’s Hair Place

168.

COS2010011431D

Tu Van Nguyen
d/b/a Fancy Spa Nails

169.

COS2010011537D

Trina Renee Mallet

170.

COS2010011822D

Julian V. Revilla
d/b/a Pat’s Hair Salon

171.

COS2010011823D

Patricia Revilla

172.

COS2010011824D & COS2010011825D

Michelle Alvarado & Elsa Cuellar d/b/a Regency Cuts

173.

COS2010011826D

Nghiem Quang Le
d/b/a Beauty Nails

174.

COS2010011828D

Sam Le Nguyen
d/b/a Niva Nails and Spas

175.

COS2010011842D

Laura Elizabeth Grumbles

176.

COS2010011848D

Stephanie Anne Webb

177.

COS2010011856D

An Ngoc Nguyen d/b/a Q Nails

178.

COS2010011994D
COS2010011995D

Damon Michael Batiste and Christopher D. Wafer
d/b/a The Shop Hair Salon

179.

COS2010012119D

Trinh T. Nguyen
d/b/a Venetian Nail Design

180.

COS2011000039D

Gina Lanette Rojas

181.

COS2011000068D

Lisbet Berrones
d/b/a Rebel Beauty Salon

182.

COS2011000162D

Thamara Gomez d/b/a Salon Marin

183.

COS2011000166D

Julio Gonzalez

184.

COS2011000711D

Ton T. Le d/b/a Attractive Nails

185.

COS2011000712D

Lan Le

186.

COS2011000754D

Manh Bui d/b/a Villa Nails & Spa

187.

EAB2009011018D

Clark Winslow

188.

EAB2009012270D

Midland 256 Rampart LP

189.

EAB2010001670D

6609 W Sam Houston LP

190.

EAB2010002387D

Artemis Square Rental Office

191.

EAB2010011872D

Vallabh Vidya Mandir Inc. 

192.

EAB2011000333D

Umwelt Development LP

193.

EAB2011000339D

Kendall Inn Mercantile Partners, Ltd.

194.

EAB2011000753D

East Texas Millworks, Inc.
d/b/a Seal Molding

195.

ELC2009002887C

Jeffrey L. Gillaspie

196.

ELC2009004164C

Joshua Manning d/b/a EMJ Electric

197.

ELC2009006828C

Hamid Shaikh
d/b/a All Quality Signs

198.

ELC2009008734M

Eberto Mendez

199.

ELC2009013490C

David Barton

200.

ELC2010001617I

Bruce Viruete

201.

ELC2010003030S

Travis Judd
d/b/a TKJ Handyman Services

202.

ELC2010005133C

Robert "Bobby" Garza
d/b/a Alex & Sons Electric

203.

ELC2010005963C

Jose Granda
d/b/a Granda’s Services

204.

ELC2010006161C

Hamid Shaikh d/b/a Southwest Signs and Graphics

205.

ELC2010006969C

Lonnie (Lee) Johnston
d/b/a L. D. Johnston & Assoc. General Contractors

206.

ELC2010008890C

Adolphus U. Davis
d/b/a AD Electric

207.

ELC2010008902C

Raul Rodriguez d/b/a Raul Electric

208.

ELC2010009234L

Juan Hernandez

209.

ELC2010009987C

Kenneth Friman

210.

ELC2010010162L

Francisco Javier Gutierrez
aka Frank Roque

211.

ELC2010010164S

Benny E. Rodriguez, Sr.

212.

ELC2010010609L

Andrew N. Mack

213.

ELC2010010886L

Hobie L. Cowart

214.

ELC2010011340L

Ramon A. Garcia

215.

ELC2010011356L

Robert L. Morin

216.

ELC2010011368L

Vincent P. Gutierrez

217.

ELE2010001601D

Morris Friedell Revocable Trust

218.

TOW2009002439C, TOW2009006803C
& TOW2009008892D

Tyhan Towing Corporation 

219.

TOW2009005552C & TOW2009011769C

Ediel Betancourt
d/b/a Autochrome AKA

220.

TOW2009006977D & TOW2009009776D

Jesus H. Ramos
d/b/a Discount Towing

221.

TOW2009009782D

William A. Salazar-Alfaro

222.

TOW2009010854D

Albertano Medellin

223.

TOW2009013099D

Terry W. Calhoun

224.

TOW2010000005D

Paul Taylor d/b/a Taylor Towing

225.

TOW2010000402D

Uncle Buddy’s Pre-owned Autos Ltd.

226.

TOW2010002604C

Harry J. Wade

227.

TOW2010002719C

Fernando Lopez, Jr.
d/b/a Eastside Wrecker Service

228.

TOW2010003271C

Belen Galvan
d/b/a Galvan Super Towing

229.

TOW2010003797C

Anchor Import/Export Inc.
d/b/a Anchor Auto Collision 

230.

TOW2010004366D

Earl Griffin, Jr.

231.

TOW2010004384C

Eduardo Farias

232.

TOW2010005801C

Albert Martinez d/b/a H.K. Services

233.

TOW2010010220C

Horacio Ramos

234.

TOW2011000564D

Oscar Oliva

235.

TOW2011000735D

Rolando Prado
d/b/a Prado Recovery

236.

VSF2009007299C & TOW2009007300C

Belen V. Galvan
d/b/a Diamond Towing

237.

VSF2009007700D

Bobby Delancey

238.

VSF2009008100D

Michelle Olivia Costilla

239.

VSF2009009070D

Miguel Zavala

240.

VSF2009012720C

Aman Zemsoum
d/b/a National Auto Storage

241.

VSF2010000004C

Big Red Wrecker Service 

242.

VSF2010000544C

Martha Carmona
d/b/a Alamo Auto Storage

243.

VSF2010001595D

Belen V. Galvan
d/b/a Galvan’s Super Towing

244.

VSF2010002108D

Hardy Meeks
d/b/a Advanced Wrecker Recovery Service

245.

VSF2010006477C

Carr Storage VSF, LLC

246.

VSF2010009483C

Martha Carmona
d/b/a Alamo Auto Storage

247.

VSF2010011251D

Freddy Lopez, Jr.
d/b/a Eastside Wrecker Service

248.

WWD2009012262D

Michael Bain
d/b/a Bain Water Well Service

249.

WWD2010012041D

Antonio Santos
d/b/a Santos Windmill Sales and Service

E. Motions for Rehearing – The Commission may consider and take any appropriate action related to the following matters

Tab

Docket Number

Respondent

1.

COS2008008297D

Philip Wiley d/b/a Hair Associates

2.

COS2009010109C, COS2010008642D & COS2010002914C

Sam Trinh
d/b/a Oasis Day Spa and Nails #4

3.

COS2010003133D

Danh Huu Truong

4.

COS2010008567D

Mai Thi Phan
d/b/a Van Facials and Nails

5.

EAB2009009525D

East Collaborative LLC

6.

EAB2009011171D

Riley Development Inc.

7.

ELC2009013330C

Nello Carr
d/b/a Giraffe Home Handyman

8.

ELC2010004349L/452-10-2707.ELC

Christopher Hickman

9.

ELC2010009358L

Lindell G. Burrow

10.

TOW2009001185C

Prestige Collision Body & Paint

11.

TOW2009012271C

Jeanna’s Towing & Recovery

12.

TOW2010008265D

Raul De La Rosa
d/b/a De La Rosa Wrecking

13.

VSF2010003212D & VSF2010004328D

Curtis Mounts d/b/a Vickery Auto Storage
d/b/a City Wide Auto Parts

F. Consideration and possible action on a proposed settlement agreement with Respondent in Docket No. COS2009002883D, Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation v. Matthew Viet Nguyen d/b/a Legend Nails.

G. Discussion and update on four-year rule reviews published in the Texas Register for public comment regarding Chapter 66, Registration of Property Tax Consultants; Chapter 71, Warrantors of Vehicle Protection Products; Chapter 77, Service Contract Providers and Administrators; Chapter 79, Weather Modification; Chapter 80, Licensed Court Interpreters; Chapter 82, Barbers; and Chapter 83, Cosmetologists.

H. Discussion and possible action regarding streamlining the default order process by assigning approval of default orders to the executive director

I. Staff Reports
The Executive Office will make an abbreviated presentation of staff reports for the agency.

Briefing from Executive Staff and discussion:

Executive Office

  • Recent Developments
  • Agreed Orders and Cease & Desist Orders
  • Legislative / Strategic Initiative Update
  • Recent Presentations

Assistant Deputy Executive Director Report

  • Data Center Services Update
  • Audit Update

Public Affairs

  • Update on Social Media

Human Resources Office

  • Update on personnel changes
  • Recent developments

Information Systems Development Division

  • Update on programming projects
  • Recent developments

Licensing Division

  • Licensing statistics
  • Recent developments

Enforcement Division

  • Enforcement case statistics
  • Recent developments

Networking Division

  • Update on data center consolidation
  • Update on networking projects
  • Recent developments

Compliance Division

  • Update on inspection activities
  • Trainings and speaking engagements
  • Recent developments

Customer Service Division

  • Call center statistics
  • Recent developments

Education & Examination Division

  • Examination statistics
  • Update on education providers
  • Recent developments

Financial Services Division

  • Update on budget
  • Recent developments

General Counsel Office

  • Update on rulemaking
  • Update on collections contract and collection matters
  • Update on open records statistics
  • Recent Attorney General Opinions
  • Recent developments

J. Executive Session

  1. Consultation with staff attorney pursuant to section 551.071, Government Code wherein the Commission will receive a briefing from General Counsel and Department staff concerning pending or contemplated litigation and settlement offers.
  2. Under section 551.074, Government Code, discussion of personnel matters.

NOTE: The Commission may adjourn into Executive Session to consider any item listed on this agenda if a matter is raised that is appropriate for Executive Session discussion.

K. Action on items discussed in Executive Session
Discussion and possible action on items discussed in the Executive session

L. Discussion of date, time and location of future Commission meetings

M. Adjournment

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